[Ksummit-2012-discuss] [ATTEND] stable kernel stuff and grumpy maintainers

Glauber Costa glommer at parallels.com
Wed Jun 20 08:53:42 UTC 2012


On 06/20/2012 12:48 PM, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, James Bottomley wrote:
>
>>> My whole point when initiating this discussion was how easy we'd like to
>>> make it for distros to cherry-pick patches from -stable in cases when they
>>> are in development phases in which they can't afford taking the whole
>>> -stable release.
>>>
>>> Going through all the changelogs, and analyzing whether it's appropriate
>>> as a "super-crucial-must-have" bugfix or not is very time consuming and
>>> not really easy, especially if done by someone who is not in daily contact
>>> with the code in question.
>>>
>>> So I agree that "Impact:" or "Fixes:" lines are mostly useless in Linus'
>>> (any most of the other) trees, but I'd personally very appreciate those in
>>> -stable from the distribution (i.e. customer of -stable) point of view.
>>
>> But Jiri, whether a bug is super critical or not depends on *your*
>> distro viewpoint, not that of the person writing the change log.  As you
>> already said, what constitutes critical changes as the distro release
>> goes forwards.  How can you really expect us to make that decision for
>> you?  The best we can really do is describe exactly and concisely what
>> the problem and the fix is in the change log and let you decide if it
>> meets your criteria.
>
> Agreed, and I am of course not asking anybody to decide for distros; just
> trying to make the decision process easier for them.
>
> Even such a minimal categorization of bugs such as
>
> - support for new HW (so that we can drop those immediately, even
>    automatically, in certain development phases)
> - performance improvement

Well, those two hardly goes to -stable anyway, so you already 
distinguished between them and the others by looking at what goes into 
-stable.

> - crash fix
> - security fix
> - platform/hw-specific fix

And here, we come to the good old problem: the gray area between those 
categories is just too big, and may depend on your needs as well.


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