[Ksummit-2012-discuss] [ATTEND] stable kernel stuff and grumpy maintainers

Randy Dunlap rdunlap at infradead.org
Tue Jun 19 17:29:05 UTC 2012

On 06/19/2012 08:16 AM, James Bottomley wrote:

> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 11:06 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 10:46 -0400, Ted Ts'o wrote:
>>> Part of the problem is that for some of the contributors, English
>>> isn't their first language.  I've very often had to rewrite the change
>>> log for that reason; in some cases, it was so mangled that even though
>>> it was a paragraph full of text, I couldn't parse it at all, and I had
>>> to send back a "huh?  Is this what you meant?" message.
>> There has been many times that I have had issues with language and had
>> to fully rewrite change logs myself. That, I believe is the maintainer's
>> responsibility, and this is not what I'm really talking about. Although,
>> a maintainer needs to push back and get a better change log, even if
>> they need to be the one to rewrite it.
>> Note, usually I don't need to ask "is this what you meant" because as
>> the expert in the code being submitted to me, I can deduce from the
>> patch itself what is going on. This is how I determine if I am willing
>> to take the patch or not. If I know the person submitting the patch has
>> issues with the language, I look at the patch, it becomes obvious what
>> the change is for, and then I rewrite the change log to explain in
>> detail what the patch was about. So far no one has complained about me
>> doing this. I do not, however, modify the patch itself, except for very
>> small changes, and if I do that, I add to the change log explaining the
>> change I made, no matter how little the change was.
> OK, so here's the direct counter example:

That's an example of a counter?   or is it a counterexample?

or another language difference across the big pond?


> http://marc.info/?t=133092342000001
> Notice that in email number three, I tried to suggest what I thought the
> actual bug might be, but I still got nowhere.
> I think this bug is minor to unnoticeable so I've kept the patch out of
> the tree pending a coherent rewrite of the change log, just to make the
> point ... that was three months ago; I'm still waiting ...  As a
> Maintainer, you just can't do that for important feature enhancements or
> bug fixes.


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