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<font size="2">aloha!
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minutes from the 8 March 2011 Open Accessiblity Teleconference
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are available as hypertext
at:
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<a target="_blank" href="http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Minutes20110308">http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Minutes20110308</a>
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IMPORTANT LOGISTICAL NOTE: due to CSUN 2011, there will NOT be a
<br />
meeting on 15 March 2011; the next scheduled Open A11y meeting
<br />
will be held on 22 March
2011
<br />
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Agenda20110322#Agenda">http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Agenda20110322#Agenda</a>
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<br />
IA2 SIG UPDATE: on 3 March 2011 the latest version of
IAccessible2
<br />
(version 1.2.1) was released and is available
at:
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<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://a11y.org/ia2-spec">http://a11y.org/ia2-spec</a>
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<br />
congratulations to Pete Brunet and the IA2 SIG for all of
their
<br />
hard work on
IA2
<br />
<br />
gregory.
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_________________________________________________________________
<br />
<br />
Open A11y Working Group Conference Call (8 March
2011)
<br />
<br />
Retrieved
from:
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<a target="_blank" href="http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Minutes20110308">http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Minutes20110308</a>
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<br />
Contents
<br />
<br />
1 Open A11y Working Group Conference Call (8 March
2011)
<br />
<br />
1.1 Preliminary
Items
<br />
1.1.1
Participants
<br />
1.1.2 For
Reference
<br />
1.1.2.1
Agenda
<br />
1.1.3 Approval of Past
Minutes
<br />
1.1.4
Announcements
<br />
<br />
1.2 Meeting
Minutes
<br />
1.2.1 Topic 1: ISO Update: Document Status and
Remaining
<br />
Work
<br />
1.2.1.1 Peter Korn's Proposed
Definitions for CORBA,
<br />
D-Bus, and
GNOME
<br />
1.2.2 Topic 2: Mapping ARIA to
ATK/AT-SPI
<br />
1.2.3 TOPIC 3: 21st Century
Video and Communications
<br />
Act
Review
<br />
1.3 Wrap
Up
<br />
<br />
<br />
Preliminary
Items
<br />
<br />
<br />
Participants:
<br />
<br />
* Janina Sajka
(JS/chair)
<br />
* Pete Bruent
(PB)
<br />
* Mike Gorse
(MG)
<br />
* Peter Korn
(PK)
<br />
* Gregory J. Rosmaita
(GJR/scribe)
<br />
* regrets: none
logged
<br />
<br />
For
Reference
<br />
<br />
Agenda
<br />
* Agenda for the 8 March 2011 Open A11y
Call
<br />
* <a target="_blank" href="http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Agenda20110308">http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Agenda20110308</a>
<br />
<br />
Announcements
<br />
<br />
Due to CSUN 2011, there will NOT be an Open A11y Call on 15
March
<br />
2011; the next scheduled Open A11y Call will be held on 22 March
2011.
<br />
_________________________________________________________________
<br />
<br />
Meeting
Minutes
<br />
<br />
<br />
Topic 1: ISO Update: Document Status and Remaining
Work
<br />
<br />
FOR
REFERENCE:
<br />
<br />
* Agenda for 8 March 2011/ISO Update (Janina
Sajka)
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility/2011-March/002710.html">https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility/2011-March/002710.html</a>
<br />
<br />
* Updated drafts of the ISO document are available in
tex,
<br />
xhtml, odf, and
pdf:
<br />
* <a target="_blank" href="http://rednote.net/iso.html">http://rednote.net/iso.html</a>
<br />
* <a target="_blank" href="http://rednote.net/iso.pdf">http://rednote.net/iso.pdf</a>
<br />
* <a target="_blank" href="http://rednote.net/iso.odt">http://rednote.net/iso.odt</a>
<br />
* <a target="_blank" href="http://rednote.net/iso.tex">http://rednote.net/iso.tex</a>
<br />
<br />
* Re: Agenda for 8 March 2011/ISO Update (Peter
Korn)
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility/2011-March/002711.html">https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility/2011-March/002711.html</a>
<br />
<br />
Peter Korn's Proposed Definitions for CORBA, D-Bus, and
GNOME
<br />
* Common Object Request Broker Architecture
(CORBA)
<br />
* an inter-process communication standard
defined by the
<br />
Object Management Group that enables
software components
<br />
to communicate with each other across
processes, address
<br />
spaces, and even computers, in an
object-to-object
<br />
fashion
<br />
<br />
*
D-Bus
<br />
* an inter-process communication technology
developed
by
<br />
freedesktop.org that is the de facto
standard of Linux /
<br />
UNIX graphical
environments
<br />
<br />
*
GNOME
<br />
* formerly an acronym meaning "GNU
Network Object
Model
<br />
Environment", it is both a common
and accessible
graphical
<br />
desktop for Linux / UNIX graphical
environments, as well
as
<br />
an open source project delivering a
collection of
software
<br />
libraries and
applications
<br />
<br />
JS: assigned individuals to review our document; received number
of
<br />
comments; began to make
changes
<br />
<br />
JS: question about copyright -- can open a11y keep a copy of
this
<br />
document ourselves - MG pointed out is one of best introduction to
the
<br />
technology
<br />
<br />
JS: said at meeting, if open a11y published doc as submit to ISO,
then
<br />
on separate path, but open a11y owns copyright, so if copyright
and
<br />
submit copyrighted version to ISO -- may diverge, but 2 other
modules
<br />
(UIA and IA2) will not diverge -- no comments when ballot
taken;
<br />
advantage of owning copyright on it means we can change content
if
<br />
necessary -- probably will be necessary -- things happen faster
than
<br />
ISO time
clock
<br />
<br />
JS: tricky part -- comments on ISO document -- process:
committee
<br />
reviewed document, gave specific suggestions for changes,
nothing
<br />
dramatic; requested to make changes and get final draft into
ISO
<br />
secretariat for SC35 (in france) -- deadline: mid-May 2011 --
gives
<br />
them time to reformat to their "specifications" (convert to
word
<br />
format and ISO-formatted version to distribute to all national
bodies
<br />
in time for voting before next SC35 meeting slated for August 2011;
if
<br />
approved in August, becomes an ISO technical
report;
<br />
<br />
PB: IBM did document on
IA2?
<br />
<br />
JS:
yes
<br />
<br />
JS: asked Andi Snow-Weaver if could do same thing with that
document
<br />
-- she indicated "too late in process to get necessary sign-offs
in
<br />
IBM"
<br />
* TR13066-3 is IAccessible2 (ASW of
IBM)
<br />
* TR13066-2 is UIAutomation
(Microsoft)
<br />
<br />
PB: is IAccessible a.k.a. MSAA included in IA2 document IBM did
for
<br />
ISO?
<br />
<br />
JS: referenced, but not discussed in any great
degree
<br />
<br />
PK: reviewing document now -- document doesn't describe API in
detail
<br />
-- links out to programming documentation for windows desktop
--
<br />
describes in general MSAA server model, etc.; all using same
style
<br />
guide: "this is how role/state boundaries are
supported"
<br />
<br />
PB: references to MSAA
documentation?
<br />
<br />
PK:
yes
<br />
<br />
JS: comments: definitions need to be consistently formatted;
suggested
<br />
that longer definitions/explanatory part might drop into
footnotes;
<br />
significant concern about diagrams displaced in document, not
where
<br />
discussed -- by-product of LaTeX (not uncommon problem); like to
try
<br />
to get changes recommended incorporated into document by next
week
<br />
<br />
JS: another comment: descriptions of diagrams didn't always use
same
<br />
terms that are in the diagrams; need to ensure that they are
sync-ed
<br />
up and contain identical
wording
<br />
<br />
PK: which is most
up-to-date?
<br />
<br />
JS: <a target="_blank" href="http://rednote.net/iso.tex">http://rednote.net/iso.tex</a> or <a target="_blank" href="http://rednote.net/iso.pdf">http://rednote.net/iso.pdf</a>
(22
<br />
February
2011)
<br />
<br />
PK: created own
definitions
<br />
* Common Object Request Broker Architecture (CORBA):
an
<br />
inter-process communication standard defined by the
Object
<br />
Management Group that enables software components to
communicate
<br />
with each other across processes, address spaces, and
even
<br />
computers , in an object-to-object
fashion
<br />
* D-Bus: an inter-process communication technology developed
by
<br />
freedesktop.org that is the de facto standard of Linux /
UNIX
<br />
graphical
environments
<br />
* GNOME: formerly an acronym meaning "GNU Network Object
Model
<br />
Environment", it is both a common and accessible
graphical
desktop
<br />
for Linux / UNIX graphical environments, as well as an
open
source
<br />
project delivering a collection of software libraries
and
<br />
applications
<br />
<br />
JS: is corporate stuff
distracting
<br />
<br />
GJR: could hand of to an appendix that list corporate
info
<br />
<br />
JS: prefer use of
footnote
<br />
<br />
JS: need to read through PKorn's document to sync them up -- no
one
<br />
complained about AT-SPI terseness, but wonder if might be too
terse
<br />
<br />
PK: came up with a diagram -- completely different
style
<br />
<br />
JS: can PKorn send me latest
copy
<br />
<br />
PK: waiting for one more round of internal review
(required)
<br />
<br />
PB: would like to review IA2
documentation
<br />
<br />
JS: confirmed that these are public documents as long as they
are
<br />
drafts
<br />
<br />
GJR: who maintains the IA2 ISO
doc?
<br />
<br />
JS: Andi Snow-Weaver of
IBM
<br />
<br />
GJR: PeteB you might want to contact ASW
directly
<br />
_________________________________________________________________
<br />
<br />
Topic 2: Mapping ARIA to
ATK/AT-SPI
<br />
<br />
FOR
REFERENCE:
<br />
* WAI-ARIA 1.0 Candidate Recommendation Draft
(2011-01-18)
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/CR-wai-aria-20110118/">http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/CR-wai-aria-20110118/</a>
<br />
<br />
* WAI-ARIA 1.0 Authoring Practices: An Author's Guide
to
<br />
Understanding and Implementing WAI-ARIA (latest
editor's
<br />
draft)
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/">http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/</a>
<br />
<br />
* WAI-ARIA User Agent Implementation Guide (latest
editor's
<br />
draft)
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/">http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/</a>
<br />
<br />
* HTML to Platform Accessibility APIs Implementation Guide
a
<br />
user agent developer's guide to understanding and
implementing
<br />
accessibility support in
HTML
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-api-map/overview.html">http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-api-map/overview.html</a>
<br />
<br />
JS: David Bolter created them inside of FireFox -- great that
are
<br />
mapped, but is that where info should be -- should be more at
API
<br />
level than wed to particular UA so all UAs can take advantage of
them
<br />
<br />
PK: look at work going on in WebKit/GTK -- exposing events for
Orca,
<br />
work fairly well
together
<br />
<br />
JS: is that the richer model that ARIA
requires?
<br />
<br />
PK: don't know details -- focused on GNOME desktops -- don't
know
<br />
status of ARIA support for
Webkit
<br />
<br />
GJR: need RichS input on
this
<br />
<br />
JS: yes, adding that to what is available to us moving ARIA from CR
to
<br />
PF
<br />
<br />
PK: to what extent does ARIA event model make sense outside of web
--
<br />
if does, then makes sense, if not,
doesn't
<br />
<br />
PK: ARIA concepts very useful
concepts
<br />
<br />
MG: wonder if always mapping or if there are roles that don't
have
<br />
mapping
<br />
<br />
MG: can ping dave or fernando -- may want to explore at may
2011
<br />
hackfest
<br />
<br />
PK: makes a lot of
sense
<br />
<br />
MG: if they are significant need for this can schedule a
dial-in
<br />
session for
that
<br />
<br />
JS: may be predicated on how many people need it -- someone with
SIP
<br />
on laptop can provide teleconference
facilities
<br />
_________________________________________________________________
<br />
<br />
TOPIC 3: 21st Century Video and Communications Act
Review
<br />
<br />
FOR
REFERENCE:
<br />
* The main NPRM on Advanced Communication (PDF
file)
<br />
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0303/FCC-11-37A1.pdf">http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0303/FCC-11-37A1.pdf</a>
<br />
<br />
* Video Description NPRM (PDF file) contains scanned images
in
<br />
Appendix
C
<br />
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0303/FCC-11-36A1.pdf">http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0303/FCC-11-36A1.pdf</a>
<br />
<br />
* Telecommunications Relay Fund NPRM (PDF
file)
<br />
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0303/FCC-11-38A1.pdf">http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0303/FCC-11-38A1.pdf</a>
<br />
<br />
PK: President Obama signed 21st century video and communications
act;
<br />
last friday, FCC published 3 notices of proposed rule-making --
300
<br />
pages worth of RPM in 3 document with 30 day
turnaround
<br />
<br />
PK: might be interesting to review section around events
and
<br />
notifications; also section on telecommunications probably of
interest
<br />
to JS -- congress directed FCC to do this for interconnected
and
<br />
non-interconnected VOIP -- freeswitch.rednote.net would thus have
to
<br />
pay -- general question about free software services
and
<br />
laws/regulations made by sole monopoly
AT&T
<br />
<br />
PK: real-time text for at least (next generation) 911
calls
<br />
(electronic and
voice)
<br />
<br />
PK: will asterisk need to support that? acquires audio portion of
SIP
<br />
connection
<br />
<br />
JS: tend not to have omnibus applications in linux
environment
<br />
<br />
PK: what impact does this have on open source
community
<br />
<br />
PK: advanced communications: propose covers not just SMS, IRC but
also
<br />
email, arguing every app should be accessible ,so when buying
phone
<br />
that does SMS or email, needs to have built-in AT; but if on
desktop,
<br />
what does "built-in" mean? whole model of desktop integration
not
<br />
understood by politicians when law
drafted
<br />
<br />
PK: pleased to see work by CodeFactory in this area -- they
submitted
<br />
comment to FCC stressing importance of a11y
APIs
<br />
<br />
FOR REFERENCE: CodeFactory products
include:
<br />
<br />
* Mobile
Accessibility
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=415">http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=415</a>
<br />
<br />
* TV
speak
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=416">http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=416</a>
<br />
<br />
* Mobile
Speak
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=316">http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=316</a>
<br />
<br />
+ MobileSpeak
4
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=318">http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=318</a>
<br />
<br />
* Mobile
Magnifier
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=312">http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=312</a>
<br />
<br />
* Mobile DAISY
player
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=314">http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=314</a>
<br />
<br />
* Color
Recognizer
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=315">http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=315</a>
<br />
<br />
_________________________________________________________________
<br />
<br />
Wrap
Up
<br />
<br />
* meeting adjourned 1657h
UTC
<br />
<br />
* next Open A11y conference call:
2011-03-22
<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Agenda20110322">http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/Minutes/Agenda20110322</a>
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